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MSD FORUMS - GENERAL EQUIPMENT DISCUSSIONS
TOPIC: Dive Computer
DLR06

Joined on
6/25/2006

I'm a newbie and thinking about getting a computer. What is a good starter computer?


Donnie Ridgeway

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Captain Dale

Joined on
3/31/2006

I would look for a computer with these features (in order):

1.  Most Important!  It should be easy to use underwater.  It should have only the information you need, nothing distracting or confusing.  It should be intuitive in its use.  You should be able to pick it up and figure out how to use it (at least the functions you will use while underwater) without reading the manual.  (That does not mean you shouldn't read it.)  Remember that we are all stupid under water.

2.  It should turn itself on when you enter the water.  Some of us are forgetful on the surface too.

3.  It should have a display with large, easy to read, numbers.

4.  It should have nitrox capability.  Even if you are not nitrox certified, chances are that you will be one day if you continue to dive.

5.  It should not include an electronic SPG.  Your gas supply is too important a piece of information to trust to an electronic device under sea water.  Analog gauges almost never fail, don't need batteries and will work even when flooded.

6.  It should be wrist mounted.  It is easier to read there, you won't have to buy a whole new console if one of its components fails and it won't dangle and drag on the bottom.

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DLR06

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6/25/2006

Thanks for the info. Any certain manufacture?


Donnie Ridgeway

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MgicTwnger

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6/1/2006

I'm with Capt. Dale on everything except wrist-mounted. I have always used a console with a retractor to eliminate the "dangles". Just what I'm used to.
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captdarrick

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1/10/2006

I'm with Capt. Dale except for the wrist mount. I rent wrist mounts to teach a computer course, it is a cost issue.  My personal preference for recreational diving is a Sherwood Wisdom air integrated computer. The display is intuitive and it is easy to read and understand. If I am deep diving I usually switch my computer to gauge mode and use a uuwatec bottom timer. My dive is planned by the Navy tables or V-Planner. 


Captain Darrick Lorenzen
captdarrick@midwestscubadiving.com
www.divemaxscuba.com
773-732-8972
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captdarrick

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1/10/2006

I see that there is a used wisdom computer for sale in the classifieds.


Captain Darrick Lorenzen
captdarrick@midwestscubadiving.com
www.divemaxscuba.com
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Wiz77

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1/28/2006

I agree with Capt. Darrick.  My wife and I both have a Sherwood Wisdom.  It is easy to use and being able to download your dives into a computer is nice for loging dives and tracking accents.
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ppo2_diver

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6/7/2006

I'm a big fan of wrist mounted bottom timers/computers. Everything is right there without having to pull a large console up to look at it. Plus a large console can add to drag while swimming in the water column, even when clipped off. I do not recommend air integrated computers, and hoseless ones as well. Just too much of a risk to have all of your eggs in one basket when a computer failes. Notice the word "when". :)


Duane A. Johnson

www.chicagoexplorers.com

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twow/atwist

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1/26/2006

Capt Darrick has my vote.  My wife and I both use Wisdom computers with the quick connect feature.  They are highly intuitive, have both air and nitrox modes (including simple gauge mode) and have large screens that present only basic information.  Yes, we are all stupid underwater...!
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ppo2_diver

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6/7/2006

Speak for yourself. :) My brain does not turn off underwater. I'm a thinking diver. A thinking diver is an alert, safe diver.


Duane A. Johnson

www.chicagoexplorers.com

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coustyj

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5/30/2006

I agree I am more aware underwater then above. If you are not aware of whats going on you should not be diving. Cruise control on my car does not mean I go to sleep as the car keeps goiung


J Couston

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twow/atwist

Joined on
1/26/2006

For those of you who think your mental acuity improves while diving, I suggest you take Hal Watt's Narcossis Management/Extended Range certification course.  ALL of us, regardless of our respective IQs, are subject to the effects of narcossis at depth.  An awareness of this fact, along with proven techniques to manage it, makes us safer divers.
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ppo2_diver

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6/7/2006

Dive helium base mixes and you don't have to worry about managing narcosis.


Duane A. Johnson

www.chicagoexplorers.com

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dive7mmwet

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6/8/2006

I use a wrist type BT  & computer,

 That said Sherwood  makes some nice and easy to read units, like React,Wisdom, If you buy and plan some day to upgrade get a Nitrox capable unit, not too much more.

Off Topic

  OBTW Helium will kill you deader faster than old O-2 just ask Hal! both gases have a plus and Minus I just cant see paying the price of a charter to say I dive tri-mix & yes some dudes  minds fog up at a 100FSW or deeper and others not! Our group of deep air divers do it and have safe and fun dives=We must just be pros at task loading under the influence! but we do know medical complication that can arise from multiple deep air dives and do limit this. 

Brad I

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ppo2_diver

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6/7/2006

Helium can be dangerous. It requires a higher level of divig skills and discipline to make it safe. The problem with deep air just isn't in narcosis, but also the build up of CO2. This leads to blackout and regardless how well someone can manage narcosis, they will never feel a CO2 induced blackout coming. This is one theory as to why Sheck died. Helium reduces the amount of CO2 buildup. Whenever I'm doing deep penetration dives or working hard, I'm on trimix. Even if I'm putting in a mooring in 80 feet. Those chains can get pretty heavy.


Duane A. Johnson

www.chicagoexplorers.com

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Captain Dale

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3/31/2006

I agree with ppo2diver.  CO2 is the gas that is least understood by divers and the least talked about.  It is the real killer in deep diving.  With a high PPO2 most, if not all, oxygen required by our bodies' metabolism can be carried dissolved in the blood instead of by combination with hemoglobin.  Since the body uses the dissolved oxygen in preferance to the oxygen carried by hemoglobin, the hemoglobin remains at near oxygen saturation level.  All this is fine, except that hemoglobin is involved in the transportation of CO2 back to the lungs.  When it is saturated with oxygen the transport of CO2 is compromised and CO2 retention can climb rapidly with any physical exertion.  I do not advocate pushing PPO2 limits in any way.  I see on advantage to hyperoxic trimixes and I try to keep my PPO2 limits in the 1.2 ATA range for the working parts of my dives.
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hammerhead

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3/13/2006

Golly, so much to learn!!!! My head is just spinning!
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Laser

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5/31/2006

There are also long term effects of deep air, such as bone necrosis.
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captdarrick

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1/10/2006

I am pretty certain that aceptic bone necrosis is not caused  specifically by 'deep air". It is caused by years of exposure to extreme conditions such as what are experienced by commercial divers and military divers (saturation diving, surface decompresion using 02, deep bell bounce dives etc.). The  necrosis is caused by multiple exposure to micro bubbles in the deep tissues that damage or destroy the bone. It is not a matter of the gas you breath , but the extremity of exposure.


Captain Darrick Lorenzen
captdarrick@midwestscubadiving.com
www.divemaxscuba.com
773-732-8972
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count

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6/14/2006

The original question asked on this thread was "I'm a newbie and thinking about getting a computer. What is a good starter computer?

It is not about trimex, bone necrosis, commercial diving etc.  Granted, different computers handle different mixes....but again...the question was from "a newbie".

There are a lot of good computers that would be a good fit for you that will also handle nitron ("enrich air") in case you decide to go that route.  I would suggest getting one that handles air and enrich air.  You need to decide if you want air intigrated, hose or hoseless.  Go in to your local dive shop and talk to the instructors there.  They can help you.

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captdarrick

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1/10/2006

Yeah, we got a little off track on this thread, but that is alright. There are really no rules.


Captain Darrick Lorenzen
captdarrick@midwestscubadiving.com
www.divemaxscuba.com
773-732-8972
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DLR06

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6/25/2006

Thanks for info all. Trying not to go broke I decided to go with the Mares M2. Right now as a recreational diver with less than 20 dives I think it will do everything I need and it will handle nitrox.


Thrilled to be diving!!! 

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DeepDiverBob

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8/22/2006

I would also add that you want a Nitrox that will go in 1% increments. My first computer went 2% increments. Kind of bugged me.
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lizzie

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2/9/2006

Does anybody have any specific manufacturer or model recommendations on a computer? I have been involved in diving a little over a year. I inherited some Genesis and Sherwood gear that was about 5 years old. Didn't feel comfortable diving with this old stuff and sold it on the internet. Notice not to many people dive Sherwood or Genesis gear.
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Captain Dale

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3/31/2006

There is nothing wrong with diving with older gear as long as it is in good shape.  I have several Sherwood regulators that are at least6 fifteen years old.  I also have a dive computer, the Skinny Dipper, that was made by Orca.  Orca was the original manufacturer of electronic dive computers.  My Skinny Dipper is probably well over twenty years old and still works fine.  I don't use it anymore because I prefer the smaller configuration of more modern computers.  When doing technical dives I use an electronic bottom timer but for recreational dives I use my ten-year-old Aladin.  The Aladin, incidentally, is programmed for nitrox in 2% increments.  Since I always mix to 2% incements anyway, O2 is only conveniently measureable to a precision of 1% and a 1% difference does not make a real difference to a diver's deco schedule this has never bothered me.

 

One of the problems with recommending a specific model dive computer is that models change rapidly as manufacturers and distributers try to find their marketing nitch.  Seemingly small changes are being made all the time.  Also, a very small number of OEM's are making computers for many different Brand Names.  Sometimes identical computers are being sold under different names; sometimes there are small differences.  It is very hard to keep up.


Dive safe,

Captain Dale Bennett

Charter Captain & Instructor Trainer

Open Water through Advanced Trimix

 

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columbiascuba

Joined on
10/23/2006

if you look at cochrans web sight it is www.divecochran.com/shopping

you can find all levals of dive computers

as they make only dive computers and are made in the usa

hope this helps

Gordon


gordon messinger

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PDSLTD

Joined on
6/28/2006

Depending on your age and eye sight, I have the Mares Nemo Wide,
the large display is excellent for older divers or if you wear correcting lenses, and it's not over teckie, just a nice recreational dive computer for most divers and affordable. (cost about $500.00)


To Error on the side of Safety,
is to Live and Dive Again.

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